Comments on: Breast Equality on CA’s Beaches? http://thenononsenseman.mensnewsdaily.com/2005/01/29/breast-equality-on-cas-beaches/ You're in NoNonsense Territory Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:49:32 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Thebes http://thenononsenseman.mensnewsdaily.com/2005/01/29/breast-equality-on-cas-beaches/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Thebes Sun, 06 Nov 2005 07:35:00 +0000 http://thenononsenseman.mensnewsdaily.com/?p=19#comment-15 You bluntly and wrongly state "Notwithstanding that the religious foundation of this country, respected by traditional families in all 50 states..." Our nation was absolutely not founded upon religious ideals, other than that one may be free from any specific religious dogma. To wit "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814 Futhermore I find is extremely ironic that you are so opposed to seeing breasts on moral grounds, and yet your Conservative Tees advert features a woman practically bursting out of her shirt, featured directly next to your complaints about the immorality of tits. You bluntly and wrongly state “Notwithstanding that the religious foundation of this country, respected by traditional families in all 50 states…”

Our nation was absolutely not founded upon religious ideals, other than that one may be free from any specific religious dogma. To wit “Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.” -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

Futhermore I find is extremely ironic that you are so opposed to seeing breasts on moral grounds, and yet your Conservative Tees advert features a woman practically bursting out of her shirt, featured directly next to your complaints about the immorality of tits.

]]> By: Yakima_Gulag http://thenononsenseman.mensnewsdaily.com/2005/01/29/breast-equality-on-cas-beaches/comment-page-1/#comment-14 Yakima_Gulag Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:18:00 +0000 http://thenononsenseman.mensnewsdaily.com/?p=19#comment-14 I would like to point something out, that is that humans feed their babies with their breasts. A woman could be arrested for breast feeding in a public place. Breast feeding is much healthier for babies than is bottle feeding! In most of the world, a woman's right to breast feed publicly is recognized. America alone is more uptight than many nations which over all observe MUCH more modest attire for women! Don't say 'go feed your baby in the bathroom!' You don't eat in hyour bathroom do you? Some of the 'topfree' arguments are a bit thin, but some raise legitimate issues. I will take your 'Christian' arguments against public toplessness much more seriously when I see over all more modest dress in churches and places of employment. Some of the worst offenders on this issue call themselves Christian. Christian women should not be wearing skirts above the ankle, or low cut tops. They are socialy pressured to wear short skirts by means of the fashion industry and corporate dress codes. As well Christian women in most cases are kept ignorant of the true teachings of Christianity about modesty. Some pastors seem to be afraid what will happen to the collection plate if they discuss modesty as a Christian virtue! The line is very simple from my point of view, as a Christian, deliberate public display of the body is not Christian behavior.An accidental breast exposure while feeding a child is not a violation of modesty. If a good Christian wants to go to a PRIVATE beach and be naked, that is one thing, but out there for just anyone to see isn't a good thing. Going on and on about 'families will stay away from the beach if toplessness is allowed' is a specious argument since already at the beach Christian rules of dress are not followed. Another thing, the general immodesty of modern Western society has not lessened sex crimes. There is a very high rate of sex crimes in the U.S. and there is a fairly high rate of such crimes in Europe as well. I'm not even counting instances which take place in time of war. I would like to point something out, that is that humans feed their babies with their breasts. A woman could be arrested for breast feeding in a public place. Breast feeding is much healthier for babies than is bottle feeding!
In most of the world, a woman’s right to breast feed publicly is recognized. America alone is more uptight than many nations which over all observe MUCH more modest attire for women!
Don’t say ‘go feed your baby in the bathroom!’ You don’t eat in hyour bathroom do you?
Some of the ‘topfree’ arguments are a bit thin, but some raise legitimate issues.
I will take your ‘Christian’ arguments against public toplessness much more seriously when I see over all more modest dress in churches and places of employment.
Some of the worst offenders on this issue call themselves Christian.
Christian women should not be wearing skirts above the ankle, or low cut tops. They are socialy pressured to wear short skirts by means of the fashion industry and corporate dress codes. As well Christian women in most cases are kept ignorant of the true teachings of Christianity about modesty. Some pastors seem to be afraid what will happen to the collection plate if they discuss modesty as a Christian virtue!
The line is very simple from my point of view, as a Christian, deliberate public display of the body is not Christian behavior.An accidental breast exposure while feeding a child is not a violation of modesty.
If a good Christian wants to go to a PRIVATE beach and be naked, that is one thing, but out there for just anyone to see isn’t a good thing.
Going on and on about ‘families will stay away from the beach if toplessness is allowed’ is a specious argument since already at the beach Christian rules of dress are not followed.
Another thing, the general immodesty of modern Western society has not lessened sex crimes. There is a very high rate of sex crimes in the U.S. and there is a fairly high rate of such crimes in Europe as well. I’m not even counting instances which take place in time of war.

]]> By: Anonymous http://thenononsenseman.mensnewsdaily.com/2005/01/29/breast-equality-on-cas-beaches/comment-page-1/#comment-13 Anonymous Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:37:00 +0000 http://thenononsenseman.mensnewsdaily.com/?p=19#comment-13 Why are European beaches topless and nudity is widely accepted there too? Because Europeans are never taught to be ashamed of their bodies, they learn from an early age that a nude body is no big deal. They have less of a problem with perversion because the mystery of a naked breast for example doesn't titilate them like it does an American. You see naked breasts on tv commercials, newspapers, beaches, parks, etc. and nobody freaks out. Here in the US we have databases of sex offenders, people who were driven to perversion by the sexual repression we still have in our society. Thus in Europe the Janet Jackson episode was quite amusing to them, and to us it was the event of 2004. We have made progress, the bikini would have been unthinkable 100 years ago here. Europe began the tradition of topless sunbathing about 50 years ago, their society is becoming unified and peaceful for the first time ever. They are making tremendous progress. Seeing the breast will not cause society to decay and fall apart, quite the opposite seems to be true. I truly believe sex crimes and sexual frustration in general in the US would go down if we began to do this. We will get there and if California leads the way all the country will soon be safe for women to enjoy their freedom and equality at the beach and we'll be better off for it. Why are European beaches topless and nudity is widely accepted there too? Because Europeans are never taught to be ashamed of their bodies, they learn from an early age that a nude body is no big deal. They have less of a problem with perversion because the mystery of a naked breast for example doesn’t titilate them like it does an American. You see naked breasts on tv commercials, newspapers, beaches, parks, etc. and nobody freaks out. Here in the US we have databases of sex offenders, people who were driven to perversion by the sexual repression we still have in our society. Thus in Europe the Janet Jackson episode was quite amusing to them, and to us it was the event of 2004. We have made progress, the bikini would have been unthinkable 100 years ago here. Europe began the tradition of topless sunbathing about 50 years ago, their society is becoming unified and peaceful for the first time ever. They are making tremendous progress. Seeing the breast will not cause society to decay and fall apart, quite the opposite seems to be true. I truly believe sex crimes and sexual frustration in general in the US would go down if we began to do this. We will get there and if California leads the way all the country will soon be safe for women to enjoy their freedom and equality at the beach and we’ll be better off for it.

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